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PostSubject: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptyFri Jun 04, 2010 6:47 am

Hey guys,

Im planning to up grade to brushless.I found this and i would like your opinion if this is a good combo for drifting.

http://cgi.ebay.com/EZRUN-COMBO-B2-9T-4300kv-Brushless-Motor-35A-ESC-RC-CAR-/150417195968?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item23059043c0

Please let me know,

Thanks,

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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptyFri Jun 04, 2010 3:12 pm

I can't access that link, but is it the one with the 4300kv motor, 35A ESC, and program card?

Because I have one of them, and I love it. And you'll always know it's not a knock off like the Yeah Racing systems, which are basically Hobbywing systems painted black.

Oh, and if you can afford it, try to get a ESC with a higher number of "A", not that there is anything wrong with this one, but the higher the "A" value, the ESC will be able to handle faster motors. For example, 60A ESC... That's pretty good.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptyFri Jun 04, 2010 5:20 pm

Abdul Basit wrote:
Because I have one of them, and I love it. And you'll always know it's not a knock off like the Yeah Racing systems, which are basically Hobbywing systems painted black..

KNOCK OFFS? As far as i know they are all the same. . . all though Hobbywing is the mother company, Yeah racing, Venom, and i think Speed Passion sub-contracts these motors from hobbywing and rebadge them. . so it's basically the same product. . . . Rebadged maybe. . . but not knock offs. .


Any ways, DriftFreek. . . go for this one, i also have one "knock off'' 9t combo BL system, and its value for your money. . but if you have the money, why not invest on a Novak Havok BL system.. . that's what i'm planning to. . . if ever.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptyFri Jun 04, 2010 6:04 pm

@Chardiboi, Well that is one way of looking at it. But if you look at it that way, then isn't everything a rebadged version? Like the fake Pro-D and the real Pro-D. It's just a difference of colour and the brand name, apart from that, they are the same.

Anywho, driftfreek, if you do have the money, get a Novak like Chardiboi said. Those systems have all you need. Keep in mind, the Hobbywing motors, and all the rebadged versions of it, are sensorless. Biggest difference between sesorless and sensored is the response time.

Sensored motors are said to respond quicker, like when you start moving from a stand still.

Also, it's said that they have more predictable low speed and breaking.

But I haven't ever used a sensored motor, I just read about the differences when I purchased my brushless. So you might want to confirm the differences by talking to someone who has actually used both.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptyFri Jun 04, 2010 6:17 pm

Abdul Basit wrote:
@Chardiboi, Well that is one way of looking at it. But if you look at it that way, then isn't everything a rebadged version? Like the fake Pro-D and the real Pro-D. It's just a difference of colour and the brand name, apart from that, they are the same.

i don't think so Abdul. . . in a fake pro D and a real Pro D, there are two different companies doing the fabrication. . . with different materials, probably a much inferior material to make the cost lower, so that's not a Rebadged version. . . that is definitely a Knock off. . . but having ONE company to produce it, and then re-branding the item to a specific company whether Yeah Racing, Venom, or Speed Passion. . then thats Rebadge. . .

A rebadged "Yeah Racing" Hobbywing motor and a Hobbywing motor would be the same. . . coz it's the same material. . . . .

BUT a fake Pro-D and a real Pro-D,. . then thats a different story. .
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptyFri Jun 04, 2010 6:25 pm

@Abdul
Sir Richard does have a point, Yeah Racing is an established company.
Making "knock offs" would serious ruin their name.
EZrun may have had the BL system first, but that doesn't mean others can't do that same.
Especially from a 3rd party company like Yeah Racing that aims to help those who have a tight budget.
So I think your choice of word (knock off) is a bit inappropriate.

@Lucas
The EZrun BL system is proven to be good.
Bad side is that it's a Sensorless BL. Mainly meaning it 'stutters' at low RPMs.
Precise throttle control may be a bit harder to achieve.

If you're looking for a long-term BL system, I'd prefer to go with Novak.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptyFri Jun 04, 2010 7:16 pm

Hey guys,

Thanks for all your replies,The thing is i am really tight on my budget so thats why i though of goin for the Ezrun BL system.SO now i am confused,whether to go for for this because it so falls in my budget.And also i dont know what to go for, a sensorless BL or not.

Can you please reply whether to go for this or no,

Thanks again,
Lucas
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptyFri Jun 04, 2010 7:24 pm

yup. . . go for it dude. . . it's value for money. . . .

I have 2 of it, a 9t and a 13t. and i'm happy with it. .

And then maybe soon if you have enough budget, you can get the high end ones like novak. .

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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptyFri Jun 04, 2010 7:44 pm

chardiboi wrote:
yup. . . go for it dude. . . it's value for money. . . .

I have 2 of it, a 9t and a 13t. and i'm happy with it. .

And then maybe soon if you have enough budget, you can get the high end ones like novak. .

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Thanks alot...that makes me feel so much better bec i had no clue about BL systems.Can you please tell me what is the advantage of connecting the ESC to the programme card or using the USB and connection it to a PC ????
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptyFri Jun 04, 2010 8:09 pm

If you're in a hurry to get a BL. That's a great choice.

But if you can wait a bit long. A sensored BL system would be better.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptyFri Jun 04, 2010 8:14 pm

it's basically a feature, which can make you adjust the performance of your motor according to your preference. there's a lot of options you can tweak, like how you want the motor to go once you pull the throttle, and how you want it to stop, or if you'll use lipo, you can set the esc to automatically cut off to a certain voltage so as not to damage your lipos, and a lot more. all of the options will be explained in the manual that comes with the unit and its user friendly and easy to understand for beginners. unlike the other brushless systems wherein, you need to do "combo" presses on the set-up button of the esc to adjust.


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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptyFri Jun 04, 2010 8:50 pm

@Chardiboi and Josh, I guess you guys are right. Don't think it's right to call it a knock off.

@Driftfreek, if you're in a hurry, go for it, it's a great system for a great price. But if you're not in a hurry, why not wait until you can buy yourself a Sensored system?

And about the PC part, I think program cards are better, they are smaller and more portable. You'll need your laptop/PC/Mainframe (lol) with you at Area 2 when you want to make adjustments, I keep my program card in my tool box - convenient.

So yeah, it all depends on how long you'll have to wait before you can afford a sensored system. If it's a long time, and you NEED one, then go for the HW, if you can wait, then go for the Novak/sensored.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptyFri Jun 04, 2010 10:38 pm

dont know much about branded and so so. but i do know one thing...

told you so... copying infos from other sites is a knock off.

@ lucas... i suggest you save enough money and go for a novak bl system... its moneys worth
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptyFri Jun 04, 2010 11:04 pm

jebjeb wrote:
told you so... copying infos from other sites is a knock off.

What? No one copied anything from any site...
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptyFri Jun 04, 2010 11:31 pm

Off topic.


Please go back to topic otherwise I'll delete your posts.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptySat Jun 05, 2010 2:16 am

Once again guys,thanks a lot for all ur opinions..

I have one more questions...what is the difference b/w a sensored BL and the other thingie...im sorry i didnt know the name...What would you recommend,and why?

Regards,
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptySat Jun 05, 2010 3:17 am

Abdul Basit wrote:
Biggest difference between sesorless and sensored is the response time.

Sensored motors are said to respond quicker, like when you start moving from a stand still.

Also, it's said that they have more predictable low speed and breaking.

But I haven't ever used a sensored motor, I just read about the differences when I purchased my brushless. So you might want to confirm the differences by talking to someone who has actually used both.

@Driftfreek, there.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptySat Jun 05, 2010 5:55 am

Abdul Basit wrote:
Abdul Basit wrote:
Biggest difference between sesorless and sensored is the response time.

Sensored motors are said to respond quicker, like when you start moving from a stand still.

Also, it's said that they have more predictable low speed and breaking.

But I haven't ever used a sensored motor, I just read about the differences when I purchased my brushless. So you might want to confirm the differences by talking to someone who has actually used both.

@Driftfreek, there.

@Abdul,Thanks for that.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptySat Jun 05, 2010 8:28 am

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@Lucas
The EZrun BL system is proven to be good.
Bad side is that it's a Sensorless BL. Mainly meaning it 'stutters' at low RPMs.
Precise throttle control may be a bit harder to achieve.

And there.

@Abdul
Have you noticed if your BL system stutters when at low speed?
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptySat Jun 05, 2010 1:50 pm

Yeah... It does.

It's also nearly impossible to cruise on a slow/dead slow speed.

I used to think it's just my hand, but after asking other people on other forums (knock off alert!), I found it it's because of the sensorless motor.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptyMon Jun 07, 2010 4:26 am

Do the sensorless systems stutter off the line...... YES
Are sensorless systems difficult at very low speeds....... YES

Does it really matter for drifting .........I don't drift but I would guess NO
Does it really matter for racing .......... No, Not at the standard we race at very happy

Are sensorless systems cheaper to buy...... YES
Is a sensored motor combo a better system ........YES, but we are not Pro's here.

So unless you are a Pro and are looking for that little extra bit of performance to get that little extra edge against your competition, then just get the sensorless system. They are cheap reliable and will give you all the power and fun you need.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptyMon Jun 07, 2010 12:54 pm

Gregs right the advantage for drifting and racing is minimal, the only place were sensorless will give you an edge is in rock crawling where you need the motor to be smoooooth at low power, and no motor cogging! very happy


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PostSubject: Re: Brushless help   Brushless help EmptyMon Jun 07, 2010 3:05 pm

gerg wrote:
Does it really matter for drifting .........I don't drift but I would guess NO

So unless you are a Pro and are looking for that little extra bit of performance to get that little extra edge against your competition, then just get the sensorless system. They are cheap reliable and will give you all the power and fun you need.

I beg to differ with the first statement sir.
It does matter in drifting.
It's called "throttle control".
Not the "bang bang bang" and "trigger-happy" technique.
In drifting, the tires have more grip at lower RPMs. <----- Tip to those still drifting here.
You just need to know when to use it.

I will agree on the second statement.
One does really need to be 'immersed in the game' to understand the benefits and disadvantages of various electronics.
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