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PostSubject: How do you overdrive/countersteer exactly?   How do you overdrive/countersteer exactly? EmptyWed Jan 06, 2010 10:05 pm

How exactly do you OD/CS? I know that the rear wheels are supposed to spin faster than the front wheels...But how many teeth do you want on your rear pully, etc?

And how exactly do you calculate your CS/OD ratio? Like...3:1 (everytime the rear wheels spin 3 times, the front wheels spin once)....?

For a belt driven chassis obviously...

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search is just a click away. or better yet, google.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you overdrive/countersteer exactly?   How do you overdrive/countersteer exactly? EmptyWed Jan 06, 2010 11:22 pm

Chardiboi...I couldn't find out how to calculate the ratios...
J.Drift...Oops..Should have used that.
Sorry.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you overdrive/countersteer exactly?   How do you overdrive/countersteer exactly? EmptyThu Jan 07, 2010 1:41 am

To calculate your internal drive ratio (IDR), suppose for your new TA05, take the nT of the driven pulley (diff or FOW or spool) and divide it by the nT of the driver pulley (center pulley)..

36/16 = 2.25

to calculate your drive ratio, take the nT (numberof teeth) of the spur and divide it by the nT of your pinion..

70/22 = 3.18

now to get your final drive ratio (FDR), multiply the two quotients..

2.25 * 3.18 = 7.155


for the ratio of the front and rear, just compute for the IDR separately..

Now, if you're really considering an OD mod, consider your car's rear IDR in computing for your FDR..

My set-up before:

F: 40/16 = 2.5
R: 32/25 = 1.28

1.95~2:1

i wanted to achieve an FDR closest to 7.0 as possible so i had to adjust on my spur and pinion.. instead of the using a 105T, i had to use a 108T spur (the biggest diameter possible for the motor mount) and a 22T pinion..

FDR = 6.28

It was really, really counter-steering.. very good on long drifts as well..

you can try and experiment on different combination of pulleys..
if not happy with the results, try another one..

Now where are those DIYs that you were mentioning before?


I'm starting to sound like a professor each time I answer your question here.. i now feel like it's my calling to teach..i should've taken some units in education..

lol! lol! lol!


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its as simple as that smile
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PostSubject: Re: How do you overdrive/countersteer exactly?   How do you overdrive/countersteer exactly? EmptyThu Jan 07, 2010 2:14 am

thanks kuya kim opps! professor lance hehehehe smile
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PostSubject: Re: How do you overdrive/countersteer exactly?   How do you overdrive/countersteer exactly? EmptyThu Jan 07, 2010 2:00 pm

The FDR of the front and rear have to be as far apart as possible.
Kits have certain limitations with the gears and belts being used.

@Abdul
It's good to experience, but don't you think you're entering the OD scene a bit too early?
Drifting style with regards to regular FDRs vs OD are completely different.

Well. good luck to you on the project. =)
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you know what! im curious about AB! i think he knows everything but trying to seek for second opinion. hmmmm honestly about OD i don't know nothing...zero!
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Another bad thing about OD setup is that you'll need to do some toe-in/out adjustments.

This means that your tires will wear out unevenly.
Plus since you're rear tires will be spinning more, you'll be replacing more rear tires that front.

I don't mind trying out OD. But that'll be a future plan. =)
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josh is right

before you make a plan for OD /CS you must learn the basic drift the if you are keen to the next level thats the time to plan it

just an advice :cheers:
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laNcELot wrote:
I'm starting to sound like a professor each time I answer your question here.. i now feel like it's my calling to teach..i should've taken some units in education..

lol! lol! lol!

LOL! lol! lol!

Can anyone who's tried the mod tell me how different it is? I've heard it's COMPLETELY different..So it doesn't matter if I'm a "normal" drifting king..Or a newbie (which I am...)

Thanks for all that help! Very helpful posts!

@Bandit...Lol, you should try OD...It looks awesome! And that's what drifting is mainly all about right? Looking good? :afro:

I haven't done the math bits yet..But this is what I'm thinking of...

32T diff pulley for the rear (50877).
Square 16t center pulley for the rear..
Square 22t center pulley for the front...
Square 40t diff pulley for the front...

That sounds promising...

By the way, Lance, how much countersteer did you get exactly? Like the Youtube videos?

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It does make a difference if you are beginner or a long time drifter.
Because, you will know how to react in certain situations. You will also understand better which setup best suits you.

Having a good foundation is always better than having nothing at all. Correct?

Drifting is NOT about looking good...
Drifting is the holy grail of car control. It is about how well you can control a car while going sideways.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you overdrive/countersteer exactly?   How do you overdrive/countersteer exactly? EmptyThu Jan 07, 2010 7:37 pm

+10000 to Sir Josh...

@Abdul --- I had an Xray T2 '08 before which I tried to do an OD setup, too bad I only had 2 choices for the spur plus the fact that the ratio was not that much and if you tried using a sensorless brushless system with OD setup you would surely feel the "lag"....

You should be able to "feel" the reaction of your car and you'll learn this thru constant practice and alot of patience....just my 2cents :study:
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.j0sh wrote:
Drifting is the holy grail of car control. It is about how well you can control a car while going sideways.
...And once you drive off after doing that...You look good. The better you do what is said above, the better you'll look. Isn't it?

Hyperdash, what exactly do you mean by the "lag"? scratch

Owww....I want to CS...Can't I learn to CS without being a "normal" drifting pro? I will get the hang of it...Right? Oww... sad sad sad

.j0sh, have you tried CS? very happy :affraid:

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I tried it on sir Lance's kit.
So yes, and it was a b****. =P

I found it hard because I wasn't ready at the time.
Plus the fact that it wasn't my kit. So I wasn't accustomed to the settings and setup of the kit.

@Lance
Was your kit's suspension all zero?

You don't have to be a pro, it's just that you have to get used to your kit.
Because at the end, you might leave us frustrated. =(

I'm just giving you a brotherly advice. It's your choice if you take it or not.
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.j0sh wrote:

Because at the end, you might leave us frustrated. =(
=)
Me is already doing that rolling eyes
I've been practicing, but the surface I practice on is MUCH different from what we set the track on...So the car behaves much differently...I have to drift alone for like ten minutes till I get used to the new surface...
Anyway..I don't know when I mod my kit, but when JJ open up their next batch, I'll order the gear.

Does this look good? I'm sure this will cause some decent CS Dorifto...

32T diff pulley for the rear (50877).
Square 16t center pulley for the rear..
Square 22t center pulley for the front...
Square 40t diff pulley for the front...
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PostSubject: Re: How do you overdrive/countersteer exactly?   How do you overdrive/countersteer exactly? EmptyThu Jan 07, 2010 8:51 pm

@Abdul - the term "lag" is a term used for sensorless brushless motors only, it means whenever you press on the throttle there is certain delay in the reaction of the motor...

hth....

goodluck on your OD & CS endeavour...

just keep on drifting...cheers...
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hyperdash2 wrote:
@Abdul - the term "lag" is a term used for sensorless brushless motors only, it means whenever you press on the throttle there is certain delay in the reaction of the motor...

hth....

goodluck on your OD & CS endeavour...

just keep on drifting...cheers...

Darn it..I'm using a 9T Sensorless..
Thanks. It's a long project TBH.

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PostSubject: Re: How do you overdrive/countersteer exactly?   How do you overdrive/countersteer exactly? EmptyThu Jan 07, 2010 10:17 pm

@AB, the stock center pulleys of the tao5 are 16Ts. No need to replace them.

@josh, I think I had it with a little toe-in on the front.. cambers are at 0.. rear toe at 0 too..

.j0sh wrote:


Drifting is NOT about looking good...


Really now?! I would beg to disagree.. It's what I loved most about Drifting RCs.. Looks good.
And why do we even do our best to make our cars look as real as possible. laughing
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Really now?! I would beg to disagree.. It's what I loved most about Drifting RCs.. Looks good.
And why do we even do our best to make our cars look as real as possible. laughing

:afro: :afro: lol!

Mmmkay! I'll use the 16t then.
By the way, have you got a link to the 25t center pulley, just want to have a look. Did you use Squares 40t differential pulley?

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Really now?! I would beg to disagree.. It's what I loved most about Drifting RCs.. Looks good.
And why do we even do our best to make our cars look as real as possible. laughing

My bad...what I meant was.

Drifting is not only about looking good.

What's the point of an amazing design if you keep smashing the car all over the place right.
Hehe

@Abdul
You'll need to take in consideration the tension of the belt.
Try using the short belt of the TA05MS.
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correct..

and yeah @AB, you have to put great consideration on the belts' tension as well.. it's like the mesh between the spur and the pinion..
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laNcELot wrote:
you have to put great consideration on the belts' tension as well.. it's like the mesh between the spur and the pinion..

So many issues... scratch rolling eyes
So...The TA05MS belt is fine? Or should I get myself a 3racing belt tensioner or some tensioner?

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I'm not sure if it'll be 'fine' but it's a shorter belt than the regular TA05.
A belt tensioner would be very helpful....problem is, how do you intend in attaching it on the chassis?
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